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	<title>Comments on: The Pitfalls of Teaching to Piano Players to Play By Chord</title>
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		<title>By: crashchords</title>
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		<dc:creator>crashchords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ryan,

When you mentioned:
"Create an online youtube / video to help train - another thing I’d love to do - again with a lack of time"

check out godtube.com/crashchords, hope it helps your bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ryan,</p>
<p>When you mentioned:<br />
&#8220;Create an online youtube / video to help train - another thing I’d love to do - again with a lack of time&#8221;</p>
<p>check out godtube.com/crashchords, hope it helps your bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Egan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ - that is so good.  I never thought about doing things that way but I think it makes perfect sense.  I'm going to have to shift my brain and the way I approach things now, but I think that was one of the most helpful things I've heard regarding teaching music to volunteers in a long time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ - that is so good.  I never thought about doing things that way but I think it makes perfect sense.  I&#8217;m going to have to shift my brain and the way I approach things now, but I think that was one of the most helpful things I&#8217;ve heard regarding teaching music to volunteers in a long time!</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little late to the party here, but as a keyboard driven worship leader (for most of my career) I have some thoughts as well.

I teach worship keys to students fairly often. I've never had a major problem with this because early on I really try and develop the students' sense of independence. I teach them to basically accompany voice (not just play a song). Their goal as a keys player is to create a foundation that the vocal lead can sit on. I start there and then move to ensemble playing LATER. I do this by a lot of imitation and emulation. They listen to and watch what other musicians are doing.

And regardless of what some of the previous posts have said, you can't teach anything at all without some form of emulation in the early stages. Anything taught correctly utilizes imitation and emulation, while developing independent thought and creativity.

Eventually students will develop their own style. But I've found a Biblical principle to come into play here. If our students are faithful in the "beginners" things, then they will be given the "advanced" things.

Teach them simple worship progressions... I  IV  I IV  (etc) and have them just play those over and over learning how to use the best inversions as you teach them chords. They get it pretty quick.

Show a young, developing keyboardist exactly what to play on a song. SHOW them. Then have them do it back. Show them again and again and again. Once they master that, then challenge them to add their own little flare.

Personally, I think it depends upon the potential of the student themselves. Often times, I'll have adult students who want to write simple worship songs and be able to worship at the house or in small groups. They would benefit from learning to read music, but I usually don't go much deeper than teaching them the notes on the keyboard so they'll be able to build chords with a chord sheet.

Children on the other hand I typically take through 6 weeks of reading exercises to determine their potential and to decided whether to carry on or not.

I think the big thing is to teach in a way that "hooks" our students. If we overload them with too much reading and theory they get bogged down and overwhelmed. But if we can show them a few songs that they can go home and worship with or even wow their friends with they'll come back for more. I say it's all about developing what little or great potential within and really buckling down with the individual to find which avenue is the best bet for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late to the party here, but as a keyboard driven worship leader (for most of my career) I have some thoughts as well.</p>
<p>I teach worship keys to students fairly often. I&#8217;ve never had a major problem with this because early on I really try and develop the students&#8217; sense of independence. I teach them to basically accompany voice (not just play a song). Their goal as a keys player is to create a foundation that the vocal lead can sit on. I start there and then move to ensemble playing LATER. I do this by a lot of imitation and emulation. They listen to and watch what other musicians are doing.</p>
<p>And regardless of what some of the previous posts have said, you can&#8217;t teach anything at all without some form of emulation in the early stages. Anything taught correctly utilizes imitation and emulation, while developing independent thought and creativity.</p>
<p>Eventually students will develop their own style. But I&#8217;ve found a Biblical principle to come into play here. If our students are faithful in the &#8220;beginners&#8221; things, then they will be given the &#8220;advanced&#8221; things.</p>
<p>Teach them simple worship progressions&#8230; I  IV  I IV  (etc) and have them just play those over and over learning how to use the best inversions as you teach them chords. They get it pretty quick.</p>
<p>Show a young, developing keyboardist exactly what to play on a song. SHOW them. Then have them do it back. Show them again and again and again. Once they master that, then challenge them to add their own little flare.</p>
<p>Personally, I think it depends upon the potential of the student themselves. Often times, I&#8217;ll have adult students who want to write simple worship songs and be able to worship at the house or in small groups. They would benefit from learning to read music, but I usually don&#8217;t go much deeper than teaching them the notes on the keyboard so they&#8217;ll be able to build chords with a chord sheet.</p>
<p>Children on the other hand I typically take through 6 weeks of reading exercises to determine their potential and to decided whether to carry on or not.</p>
<p>I think the big thing is to teach in a way that &#8220;hooks&#8221; our students. If we overload them with too much reading and theory they get bogged down and overwhelmed. But if we can show them a few songs that they can go home and worship with or even wow their friends with they&#8217;ll come back for more. I say it&#8217;s all about developing what little or great potential within and really buckling down with the individual to find which avenue is the best bet for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by pian0dude - I appreciate your thoughts.  You made some very good suggestions and a good reminder that it's okay to make mistakes.

I do think that someone can be taught to be creative, however.  I think it's a skill that comes with time, practice and listening.  I used to not have a clue how to come up with original fills/licks/runs whatever - but after many years of practice, listening to others and experimenting - I can now do it.

I'm glad many people stopped by to give some suggestions.  Thanks for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by pian0dude - I appreciate your thoughts.  You made some very good suggestions and a good reminder that it&#8217;s okay to make mistakes.</p>
<p>I do think that someone can be taught to be creative, however.  I think it&#8217;s a skill that comes with time, practice and listening.  I used to not have a clue how to come up with original fills/licks/runs whatever - but after many years of practice, listening to others and experimenting - I can now do it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad many people stopped by to give some suggestions.  Thanks for that!</p>
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		<title>By: pian0dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>pian0dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I may be coming at this the total wrong way, however....  I lead worship at my church from a keyboard and occasionally the piano.  The last time I checked, piano is a percussion instrument. I understand that this doesn't mean someone can just sit down and play a song percussively, so as to lead it in a worship service setting.  I find for myself, after lots of time with other musicians and also watching Paul Baloche's worship band workshop video clips... that I very rarely find myself in a position where I am solely responsible for carrying an entire song by myself.  I typically play some variation of a bass note or notes with my left hand then the chords with my right hand.  In a band setting, the drummer can help carry the tempo, guitarist can help carry tempo as well as some "mids" and the bass guitar player can pick up the bass end of things.  For me, I find it helpful sometimes to sit back and listen as the other instruments play and actually try to play out notes that would be part of the vocal harmony line to find places where I can color in the song with the keys.  Thinking about it too... something as simple as "chopsticks" on the keys is a basic way of teaching rhythym on the keys.  Also, an oldie but a goody worship tune "You Are Crowned With Many Crowns" is a good way to take chords on the right hand and play them and due to the beat of that song, you are in affect playing rhythym chords.  With regards to leading a song, if you are singing the song vocally, then you may not need to play the melody on the keys and therefore you could just have them do inversions of the chords.  Try having them experiment with arpeggio's on an inversion while they sing the melody.  As far as teaching someone to be creative... I'm not sure if this is possible.  I think you can provide some structure for how to be creative, but that person would have to have an ear for music.  I would say maybe invite them to rehearsals if they have a true desire to learn this style and maybe just have them quietly play throughout your rehearsal to just see what they come up with.  I agree with previous posts that people need to be made to feel as though it's okay to make a mistake.  I make plenty with my team!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I may be coming at this the total wrong way, however&#8230;.  I lead worship at my church from a keyboard and occasionally the piano.  The last time I checked, piano is a percussion instrument. I understand that this doesn&#8217;t mean someone can just sit down and play a song percussively, so as to lead it in a worship service setting.  I find for myself, after lots of time with other musicians and also watching Paul Baloche&#8217;s worship band workshop video clips&#8230; that I very rarely find myself in a position where I am solely responsible for carrying an entire song by myself.  I typically play some variation of a bass note or notes with my left hand then the chords with my right hand.  In a band setting, the drummer can help carry the tempo, guitarist can help carry tempo as well as some &#8220;mids&#8221; and the bass guitar player can pick up the bass end of things.  For me, I find it helpful sometimes to sit back and listen as the other instruments play and actually try to play out notes that would be part of the vocal harmony line to find places where I can color in the song with the keys.  Thinking about it too&#8230; something as simple as &#8220;chopsticks&#8221; on the keys is a basic way of teaching rhythym on the keys.  Also, an oldie but a goody worship tune &#8220;You Are Crowned With Many Crowns&#8221; is a good way to take chords on the right hand and play them and due to the beat of that song, you are in affect playing rhythym chords.  With regards to leading a song, if you are singing the song vocally, then you may not need to play the melody on the keys and therefore you could just have them do inversions of the chords.  Try having them experiment with arpeggio&#8217;s on an inversion while they sing the melody.  As far as teaching someone to be creative&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure if this is possible.  I think you can provide some structure for how to be creative, but that person would have to have an ear for music.  I would say maybe invite them to rehearsals if they have a true desire to learn this style and maybe just have them quietly play throughout your rehearsal to just see what they come up with.  I agree with previous posts that people need to be made to feel as though it&#8217;s okay to make a mistake.  I make plenty with my team!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Wade Mobley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade Mobley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strong vocal support goes a long way, but a rhythym instrument would be a big help. As one formulates worship teams he could place chord playing piano players with strong lead guitarists, or conversely, select piano driven music with a piano player who reads and leads well. 

Good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strong vocal support goes a long way, but a rhythym instrument would be a big help. As one formulates worship teams he could place chord playing piano players with strong lead guitarists, or conversely, select piano driven music with a piano player who reads and leads well. </p>
<p>Good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There in lies the rub :-) Really it just depends on the vision for your band. My band we do a lot of original songs and when we do other people's songs we usually remix them into our style. So it requires my band being able to express creatively well. But if you're not doing a lot of that then yeah it probably shouldn't be a pre-requisite for you.

Teaching creativity is difficult. But there are some exercises we do in our band practice to foster this and also I do as a test in auditions. I'll start playing some riff or progression on guitar nobody has heard and then one by one I'll point to an instrument and it's their job to introduce themselves into the song. One by one we start layering instruments. We'll play it out for a while and then we'll discuss what stunk and what parts were cool. Then play it over and try to improve each time. This forces people to creatively find parts but not be afraid to make mistakes.

The biggest barrier to creativity is people's fear of making mistakes. Have to break that. I hope something here is of use or helpful in some way.

Enjoy your blog and enjoy even more getting connected with other worship leaders to exchange these kind of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There in lies the rub <img src='http://iamanoffering.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Really it just depends on the vision for your band. My band we do a lot of original songs and when we do other people&#8217;s songs we usually remix them into our style. So it requires my band being able to express creatively well. But if you&#8217;re not doing a lot of that then yeah it probably shouldn&#8217;t be a pre-requisite for you.</p>
<p>Teaching creativity is difficult. But there are some exercises we do in our band practice to foster this and also I do as a test in auditions. I&#8217;ll start playing some riff or progression on guitar nobody has heard and then one by one I&#8217;ll point to an instrument and it&#8217;s their job to introduce themselves into the song. One by one we start layering instruments. We&#8217;ll play it out for a while and then we&#8217;ll discuss what stunk and what parts were cool. Then play it over and try to improve each time. This forces people to creatively find parts but not be afraid to make mistakes.</p>
<p>The biggest barrier to creativity is people&#8217;s fear of making mistakes. Have to break that. I hope something here is of use or helpful in some way.</p>
<p>Enjoy your blog and enjoy even more getting connected with other worship leaders to exchange these kind of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle - good thoughts.

But what if you can't allow that sort of prerequisite or don't want to?  

I don't want emulation like you said - I want creativity, but...

I want to work with who I have available and most of the people I have available don't necessarily have a lot of creative experience but have a heart to learn anything new to make things sound as good as they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle - good thoughts.</p>
<p>But what if you can&#8217;t allow that sort of prerequisite or don&#8217;t want to?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want emulation like you said - I want creativity, but&#8230;</p>
<p>I want to work with who I have available and most of the people I have available don&#8217;t necessarily have a lot of creative experience but have a heart to learn anything new to make things sound as good as they can.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem is a few levels deep. I approach it this way, emulation is cheap. This is usually a problem for players who have never played in an original band where they are in some creative environment. All they've done is read music or played by ear and tried to emulate what someone else has done. For my team that doesn't really work, I can't think creatively for every musician in the band. So for me that's a pre-requisite, I don't want emulation. You have to be able to hear your own parts, experiment and self critique. I don't think a band leader can successfully do that for every instrument, or at least this bad leader can't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem is a few levels deep. I approach it this way, emulation is cheap. This is usually a problem for players who have never played in an original band where they are in some creative environment. All they&#8217;ve done is read music or played by ear and tried to emulate what someone else has done. For my team that doesn&#8217;t really work, I can&#8217;t think creatively for every musician in the band. So for me that&#8217;s a pre-requisite, I don&#8217;t want emulation. You have to be able to hear your own parts, experiment and self critique. I don&#8217;t think a band leader can successfully do that for every instrument, or at least this bad leader can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw your tweet.  That's definitely cool.  So glad to hear about that sort of stuff happening!</description>
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